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- Summary: Frequenty Asked Questions about the author J.R.R. Tolkien:
- questions commonly raised by the first reading of _The Hobbit_
- or _The Lord of the Rings_; details of the background mythology
- and invented history which relate directly to the stories;
- biographical matters.
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- 7) Was the northwest of Middle-earth, where the story took place, meant
- to actually be Europe?
-
- Yes, but a qualified yes. There is no question that Tolkien had
- northwestern Europe in mind when he described the terrain, weather,
- flora, and landscapes of Middle-earth. This was no doubt partially
- because NW Europe was his home and therefore most familiar to him and
- partially because of his love for the "Northern tradition". As he
- said himself: "The North-west of Europe, where I (and most of my
- ancestors) have lived, has my affection, as a man's home should. I
- love its atmosphere, and know more of its histories and languages than
- I do of other parts; ..." (Letters 376 (#294)). Thus, the environment
- of Middle-earth will seem familiar to dwellers of that region of
- Europe (see the second letter excerpted in FAQ, Tolkien, 6 (#183)).
-
- However, the geographies simply don't match. This was the result
- not so much of a deliberate decision on Tolkien's part to have things
- so but rather a side-effect of the history of the composition: the
- question did not occur to him until the story was too far advanced and
- the map too fixed to allow much alteration:
-
- ... if it were 'history', it would be difficult to fit the lands and
- events (or 'cultures') into such evidence as we possess, archaeo-
- logical or geological, concerning the nearer or remoter part of what
- is now called Europe; though the Shire, for instance, is expressly
- stated to have been in this region [FR, 11]. I could have fitted
- things in with greater versimilitude, if the story had not become
- too far developed, before the question ever occurred to me. I doubt
- if there would have been much gain; ...
- Letters, 283 (#211)
-
- ... As for the shape of the world of the Third Age, I am afraid that
- was devised 'dramatically' rather than geologically, or paleonto-
- logically. I do sometimes wish that I had made some sort of agree-
- ment between the imaginations or theories of the geologists and my
- map a little more possible. But that would only have made more
- trouble with human history.
- Letters, 224 (#169)
-
- The remark that there probably would not "have been much gain" is
- characteristic and perhaps indicates Tolkien's own approach, which
- would seem to have been to focus on the environmental familiarity at
- the "local" level (in the sense that any particular scene might have
- come from somewhere in Europe) and to simply overlook the lack of
- "global" identity. On the other hand, he made some attempt to address
- the difficulty in the quote from the Prologue (FR, 11), where it was
- said: "Those days, the Third Age of Middle-earth, are now long past,
- and the shape of all lands has been changed...". The conclusion is
- that it is a matter for each individual reader as to how important is
- the lack of geographical fit and where one comes down on the continuum
- between "Middle-earth was northwestern Europe" and "Middle-earth might
- as well have been northwestern Europe" (or, as Tolkien might have
- said, "Middle-earth 'imaginatively' was northwestern Europe"). [Thus,
- recent attempts to force the M-e map to fit the map of the Eurasian
- land mass, such as in _Tolkien: The Illustrated Encyclopedia_ by David
- Day, should be discounted.]
-
- In one letter he provided indications to help in visualizing the
- circumstances of various locales, but this does not help in resolving
- the above matter, since again northwestern Europe was used for
- comparison rather than equation:
-
- The action of the story takes place in the North-west of 'Middle-
- earth', equivalent in latitude to the coastlands of Europe and the
- north shores of the Mediterranean. ... If Hobbiton and Rivendell
- are taken (as intended) to be at about the latitude of Oxford, then
- Minas Tirith, 600 miles south, is at about the latitude of Florence.
- The Mouths of Anduin and the ancient city of Pelargir are at about
- the latitude of ancient Troy.
- Letters, 375-376 (#294)
-
-
- References: FR, 11 (Prologue);
- Letters, 376 (#294), 239 (#183), 283 (#211), 224 (#169).
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Carl F. Hostetter
-
- ----------
-
-
- 8) Was the Shire meant to be England?
-
- In this case, the balance between "actually *was*" and "was based
- upon" is entirely tipped towards the latter. There is no hint that
- the Shire was in any sense supposed the be the country now called
- England in an ancient state. On the other hand, there is plainly a
- very strong resemblance between the Shire and the rural England of
- about a century ago.
-
- More precisely, the Shire plainly could not *be* England in any
- literal sense: England is an island, and even changes in "the shape of
- all lands" (FR, 11) is insufficient to explain such a discrepancy
- (especially since even the westernmost part of the Shire was some 200
- miles from the Sea). Nevertheless, the Shire was more exactly based
- on England than any other part of Middle-earth was based on any part
- of our world: the climate, place-names, flora and fauna, terrain,
- food, customs, and the inhabitants themselves, were all English. In
- effect the Shire was an idealized version of the rural England of
- Tolkien's childhood. Some of his comments on the matter were:
-
- [The Shire] is in fact more or less a Warwickshire village of about
- the period of the Diamond Jubilee ...
- Letters, 230 (#178)
-
- But, of course, if we drop the 'fiction' of long ago, 'The Shire' is
- based on rural England and not any other country in the world...
- [Later in the same letter he implied that the Shire was "an imag-
- inary mirror" of England.]
- Letters, 250 (#190)
-
- There is no special reference to England in the 'Shire' -- except
- of course that as an Englishman brought up in an 'almost rural'
- village of Warwickshire on the edge of the prosperous bourgeoisie of
- Birmingham (about the time of the Diamond Jubilee!) I take my models
- like anyone else -- from such 'life' as I know.
- Letters, 235 (#181)
-
- See also RtMe 31-33 for a fascinating suggestion that certain compo-
- nents of Tolkien's early philological studies may have contributed to
- his later conception of the Shire. Shippey has also suggested that
- Tolkien's motivation in changing Gandalf's supper request in ch 1 of
- _The Hobbit_ from "cold chicken and tomatoes" in the first edition to
- "cold chicken and pickles" in the revised edition was linguistic: that
- to Tolkien's extraordinarily sensitive ear "tomato" sounded out of
- place in a country that was a mirror of English, since tomato only
- entered the language in the sixteenth century and moreover originally
- came from some Caribbean language. Likewise, tobacco, used in _The
- Hobbit_, was changed to "pipeweed", and "potatos" were usually spoken
- of only by Sam, who called them "taters" (RtMe, 53-54; Annotated
- Hobbit, 19).
- * * *
-
- Finally, great care must be taken not to confound the idea of the
- Shire's having been based on England with a concept found in Tolkien's
- earliest writings, that Tol Eressea (Elvenhome) eventually *became*
- England. This appeared during his early work on the Book of Lost
- Tales (which eventually evolved into the Silm). Very probably it had
- been supplanted even before he stopped work on the Lost Tales (1920)
- (BoLT I, 22-27). In any case, it had long since been abandoned by the
- time LoTR was begun in 1937, and plays no part in the 'history' of
- Middle-earth as presented in LotR, Silm, _The Hobbit_, etc.
-
-
- References: FR, 11 (Prologue);
- Letters, 230 (#178), 235 (#181), 250 (#190);
- RtMe, 31-33 (2, "Survivals in the West"),
- 53-54 (3, "Creative anachronisms");
- BoLT I, 22-27 (I, "Commentary on _The Cottage of
- Lost Play_");
- Annotated Hobbit, 19 (ch 1, note 7).
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Wayne Hammond Jr, Bill Taylor
-
- ----------
-
-
- 9) What were the changes made to _The Hobbit_ after _The Lord of the
- Rings_ was written, and what motivated them? [This question refers to
- the major revisions made to the Gollum chapter, "Riddles in the Dark",
- not to the multitude of minor changes made elsewhere.]
-
-
- In the original 1937 edition of _The Hobbit_ Gollum was genuinely
- willing to bet his ring on the riddle game, the deal being that Bilbo
- would receive a "present" if he won. Gollum in fact was dismayed when
- he couldn't keep his promise because the ring was missing. He showed
- Bilbo the way out as an alternative, and they parted courteously.
-
- As the writing of LotR progressed the nature of the Ring changed.
- No longer a "convenient magical device", it had become an irresistable
- power object, and Gollum's behavior now seemed inexplicable, indeed,
- impossible. In the rough drafts of the "Shadow of the Past" chapter
- Gandalf was made to perform much squirming in an attempt to make it
- appear credible, not wholly successfully.
-
- Tolkien resolved the difficulty by re-writing the chapter into its
- present form, in which Gollum had no intention whatsoever of giving up
- the Ring but rather would show Bilbo the way out if he lost. Also,
- Gollum was made far more wretched, as befitted one enslaved and tor-
- mented by the Ruling Ring. At the same time, however, Bilbo's claim
- to the Ring was seriously undercut.
-
- [ Care must be taken when noting this last point. There are two
- issues involved, well summarized in the Prologue: "The Authorities, it
- is true, differ whether this last question was a mere 'question' and
- not a 'riddle' ... but all agree that, after accepting it and trying
- to guess the answer, Gollum was bound by his promise" (FR, 21). Thus,
- it was Bilbo's winning of the game that was questionable. Given that
- he had in fact won, albeit on a technicality, he was fully entitled to
- the prize, which, in the old version, was the ring. In the new
- version, however, he had no claim to the Ring at all, whether he had
- won or not, because the Ring was not the stake of the game. ]
-
- The textual situation thus reached was that there now existed two
- versions of the episode. Tolkien deftly made this circumstance part
- of the story by suggesting that the first time around **Bilbo was
- lying** (under the influence of the Ring) to strengthen his claim.
- (Bilbo had written this version in his diary, which was "translated"
- by Tolkien and published as "The Hobbit"; hence the error in the early
- editions, later "corrected".) This new sequence of events inside the
- story is laid out clearly in "Of the Finding of the Ring" (Prologue)
- and is taken for granted thereafter for the rest of the story (e.g. in
- "The Shadow of the Past" and at the Council of Elrond).
-
- _The Hobbit_ as now presented fits the new scenario remarkably
- well, even though Tolkien, for quite sound literary reasons, left this
- entire matter of Bilbo's dishonesty out (it was an entirely irrelevant
- complication which would have thrown everything out of balance). The
- present attempt to step back and view the entire picture is made more
- involved by the fact that there were two separate pieces of dishonesty
- perpetrated by Bilbo.
-
- The first, made explicit, was that when he initially told his
- story to Gandalf and the Dwarves he left the ring out entirely -- this
- no doubt was what inspired Gandalf to give Bilbo the "queer look from
- under his bushy eyebrows" (H, 99). Later, (after the spider episode)
- he revealed that he had the Ring, and it must have been at this point
- that he invented the rigamarole about "winning a present" (an incred-
- ible action, given the circumstances). There is, however, no hint in
- the text of this second piece of dishonesty (as noted above, it would
- have been a grave literary mistake). Readers are therefore given no
- indication that when "Balin ... insisted on having the Gollum story
- ... told all over again, with the ring in its proper place" (H, 163)
- that Bilbo didn't respond with the "true" story, exactly as described
- in Ch V. In this regard, "Of the Finding of the Ring" in the Prologue
- is a necessary prelude to LotR.
-
-
- References: Hobbit, 99 (Ch VI), 163 (Ch VIII),
- "Riddles in the Dark" (Ch V);
- Annotated Hobbit, 104 (Ch VI, note 2), 176 (Ch VIII,
- note 11), 325-327 (Appendix A: the original
- version is given here);
- FR, "Of the Finding of the Ring" (Prologue);
- Biography, 203 (V, 2);
- RtMe, 59-60 (3, "The Ring as 'Equalizer'");
- The Return of the Shadow (HoMe VI), 75, 79-81, 84-87
- (First Phase, III), 261-265 (Second Phase, XV).
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Wayne Hammond Jr
-
- ----------
-
-
- HOBBITS
-
- 1) Were Hobbits a sub-group of Humans?
-
- Yes, beyond question. There were three statements to this effect.
- The first, from the Prologue, is probably less definite because it was
- intended to be the editor speaking.
-
- It is plain indeed that in spite of later estrangement Hobbits
- are relatives of ours: far nearer to us than Elves, or even than
- Dwarves. Of old they spoke the languages of Men, after their own
- fashion, and liked and disliked much the same things as Men did.
- But what exactly our relationship is can no longer be discovered.
- The beginning of Hobbits lies far back in the Elder Days that are
- now lost and forgotten.
- FR, 11 (Prologue)
-
- The Hobbits are, of course, really meant to be a branch of the
- specifically *human* race (not Elves or Dwarves) -- hence the two
- kinds can dwell together (as at Bree), and are called just the Big
- Folk and Little Folk. They are entirely without non-human powers,
- but are represented as being more in touch with 'nature' (the soil
- and other living things, plants and animals), and abnormally, for
- humans, free from ambition or greed of wealth.
- Letters, 158 (footnote) (#131)
-
- Firstborn, The. Title of the Elves. Translate. ('Firstborn',
- since the Elves appeared in the world before all other 'speaking
- peoples', not only Men, but also Dwarves, of independent origin.
- Hobbits are of course meant to be a special variety of the human
- race).
- Guide, entry for "The Firstborn"
-
-
- References: FR, 11 (Prologue, "On Hobbits");
- Letters, 158 (footnote) (#131);
- Guide, entry for "The Firstborn".
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Paul Adams
-
- ----------
-
-
- 2) Did Hobbits have pointed ears?
-
- Only slightly. Tolkien described Bilbo thusly for purposes of
- illustration in a letter to Houghton Mifflin (c. 1938):
-
- I picture a fairly human figure, not a kind of 'fairy' rabbit as
- some of my British reviewers seem to fancy: fattish in the stomach,
- shortish in the leg. A round, jovial face; ears only slightly
- pointed and 'elvish'; hair short and curling (brown). The feet
- from the ankles down, covered with brown hairy fur. Clothing: green
- velvet breeches; red or yellow waistcoat; brown or green jacket;
- gold (or brass) buttons; a dark green hood and cloak (belonging to
- a dwarf).
- Letters, 35 (#27)
-
- The Annotated Hobbit cites this letter and includes a reasonable
- illustration based upon it. [Note that Tolkien's use of the word
- "elvish" here refers to the elfs of popular folklore, who were often
- pictured with pointed ears. The Elves of Middle-earth (except for
- the Silvan Elves in The Hobbit) were at the time of this letter known
- to only a few people.]
-
-
- References: Letters, 35 (#27);
- Annotated Hobbit, 10 (Ch I, note 2).
-
- Contributor: WDBL
-
- ----------
-
-
- 3) When was Bilbo and Frodo's Birthday? To what date on our own
- calendar does it correspond?
-
- The date on the Shire calendar was September 22 (FR, 29). Both
- the different definitions of the months and the different correlation
- of their calendar with the seasons (the summer solstice fell on Mid-
- year's Day, the day between June and July, not on June 21 as on our
- calendar (RK, 388 -- Appendix D)) must be Taken into account. The
- discrepancy in September is found to be 10 days, giving September 12
- on our calendar as the equivalent date. (This result has some signi-
- ficance for the story. Events occur ten days earlier in terms of the
- seasons than the dates would suggest to us: when sleeping outdoors in
- autumn, ten days can make a large difference.)
-
- [In Appendix D Tolkien gives detailed information about long-term
- inaccuracies in the Shire Reckoning, which they dealt with differently
- than we do. Based on this, it is possible to conclude that the SR at
- the time of the story had accumulated either two days or four days of
- error, depending on how careful the Hobbits were about making long-
- term corrections, which we aren't told. This result would make the
- equivalent date either September 14 or September 16, but other consi-
- derations raise questions about the accuracy of such calculations, so
- September 12 is probably the most straightforward choice.]
-
-
- References: FR, 29 (I,1);
- RK, Appendix D.
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Paul Adams
-
- ----------
-
-
- 4) Was Gollum a hobbit?
-
- Yes, beyond all doubt. Gandalf's opinion alone: "I guess they
- were of hobbit-kind; akin to the fathers of the fathers of the Stoors"
- (FR, 62) should be sufficient to settle this, but it is confirmed in
- several other places. The Tale of Years (RK, Appendix B) has the
- following entry for the year TA 2463: "About this time Deagol the
- Stoor finds the One Ring, and is murdered by Smeagol." (RK, p. 368).
- Since it was explained in the Prologue that Stoors were one of the
- three branches of hobbits (FR, 12), it is clear that the compiler of
- this entry, evidently either Merry and/or Pippin's heirs (FR, 24-25),
- accepted this conclusion.
-
- In "The Hunt for the Ring" (UT, Three, IV) it is told that Sauron
- concluded from his interrogation of Gollum that Bilbo must have been
- the same sort of creature (UT, 342) (indeed, Gandalf concluded the
- same thing from his talks with Bilbo (FR, 63)). The following passing
- reference shows that the author of "The Hunt for the Ring" accepts
- Gollum's hobbit origin: "Ultimately indomitable [Gollum] was, except
- by death, as Sauron guessed, both from his halfling nature, and from
- a cause which Sauron did not fully comprehend ..." (UT, 337).
-
- Perhaps Gandalf's archaic diction contributed to the uncertainty.
- When a reader suggested that perhaps '(1) Smeagol's people were *not*
- "of hobbit-kind" as suggested by Gandalf', Tolkien dismissed the
- suggestion. He added:
-
- With regard to (1) Gandalf certainly says at first 'I guess'
- (FR, 62); but that is in accordance with his character and wisdom.
- In more modern language he would have said 'I deduce', referring to
- matters that had not come under his direct observation, but on which
- he had formed a conclusion based on study. ...But he did not in fact
- doubt his conclusion: 'It is true all the same, etc.' (FR, 63).
- Letters, 289-290 (#214)
-
-
- References: FR, 12, (Prologue), 24-25 (Prologue, "Note on the Shire
- Records"), 62-63 (I,2);
- RK, Appendix B;
- UT, 337 (Three, IV, i), 342 (Three, IV, ii);
- Letters, 289-290 (#214).
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Craig Presson
-
- ----------
-
-
- ELVES
-
- 1) Did Elves have pointed ears?
-
- They were evidently somewhat pointed; more so that human ears, at
- any rate. The only place this matter is addressed directly is in The
- Etymologies, published in _The Lost Road_. There, the following two
- entries for the element 'las' are given [Q == Quenya, N == Noldorin]:
-
- Las (1) *lasse 'leaf': Q lasse, N lhass; Q lasselanta 'leaf-fall,
- autumn', N lhasbelin (*lassekwelene), cf. Q Narquelion [ KWEL ].
- Lhasgalen 'Greenleaf' (Gnome name of Laurelin). (Some think this
- is related to the next and *lasse 'ear'. The Quendian ears were
- more pointed and leaf-shaped than [human].)
-
- Las (2) 'listen'. N lhaw 'ears' (of one person), old dual *lasu
- -- whence singular lhewig. Q lar, lasta- 'listen'; lasta
- 'listening, hearing' -- Lastalaika 'sharp-ears', a name,
- cf. N Lhathleg. N lhathron 'hearer, listener, eavesdropper'
- ( < *la(n)sro-ndo ) ; lhathro or lhathrando 'listen in,
- eavesdrop'.
- (The Lost Road, 367)
-
- Some have rejected the conclusion on the grounds that these entries
- were written before LotR was begun and therefore may not apply to it.
- It is thus significant that the element 'las' retained both its
- meanings, as is shown by examples in LotR itself, such as Legolas
- ('Green leaf') (TT, 106, 154), 'lassi' (== "leaves") in Galadriel's
- Lament (FR, 394), and Amon Lhaw (Hill of Hearing) (FR, 410).
-
-
- References: FR, 394, (II, 8), 410 (II,9);
- TT, 106 (III,5), 154 (III,8);
- Letters, 282 (#211);
- The Lost Road (HoMe V), 367 ("The Etymologies").
-
- Contributor: WDBL
-
- ----------
-
-
- DWARVES
-
- 1) Did Dwarf women have beards?
-
- It seems they did. In the note on Dwarf women in Appendix A it
- was told:
-
- It was said by Gimli that there are few dwarf-women, probably no
- more than a third of the whole people. They seldom walk abroad
- except at great need. They are in voice and appearance, and in garb
- if they must go on a journey, so like to the dwarf-men that the eyes
- and ears of other peoples cannot tell them apart.
- RK, 360 (App A)
-
- Since beards were part of the appearance, not the garb, of dwarf-men,
- we must conclude that dwarf-women did in fact have beards.
-
- The question has been raised as to whether all dwarf *men* neces-
- sarily had beards (the above conclusion depends upon this premise).
- Insofar as the matter was mentioned at all, it was shown through
- either direct statements or casual references that at least Thorin,
- Dwalin, Balin, Fili, Kili, Gloin, Bombur, and Gimli all definitely had
- beards (Hobbit, 20-22, 159, 186, 198; FR, 240; RK, 148); it is natural
- to assume that the others did as well. While no definite statement
- about the beard status of dwarf-men in general was ever presented as a
- matter of lore, a thought which reflects the assumed view was given to
- Bilbo early in _The Hobbit_ : [as Bilbo rode along wearing Dwalin's
- hood] "His only comfort was that he couldn't be mistaken for a dwarf,
- as he had no beard." (Hobbit, 42) In any event, the notion of bearded
- dwarves seems an assumption with fairly firm foundations.
-
-
- References: Hobbit, 20-22 (Ch I), 42 (Ch II), 159 (Ch VIII),
- 186 (Ch X), 198 (Ch XI);
- FR, 240 (II, 1);
- RK, 148 (V, 9), 153 (V, 9), 360 (Appendix A, III).
-
- Contributors: WDBL, Peter Hunt
-
- ----------
-
-
- ISTARI (Wizards)
-
-
- 1) Who were the Istari (Wizards)?
-
- The Wizards were Maiar (spiritual beings of lower "rank" than the Valar)
- sent to Middle-earth by the Valar in human form as Messengers to help in the
- struggle against Sauron: the term "incarnate angel" is approximately correct.
- Being incarnated limited their power, and intentionally so, because their
- mission was to organize the resitance and to inspire the peoples of Middle-
- earth to help themselves, not to do the job for them. Their main temptation,
- then, was to try to speed up the process by dominating other free wills -- a
- principle reason for their mission was to prevent such actions by Sauron.
-
- It was said that there were Five Wizards in the Order, but only three
- came into the story:
-
- -- Saruman ('Man of Skill') the White
- [Sindarin: Curunir ('Man of Skill'); Quenya: Curumo]
-
- -- Gandalf ('Elf of the wand') the Grey (later the White)
- [Sindarin: Mithrandir ('Grey Pilgrim'); Quenya: Olorin]
-
- -- Radagast the Brown [Quenya: Aiwendel]
-
- Gandalf was the only one who remained true to his missison, and in the end
- succeeded in bringing about Sauron's defeat. He was also the keeper of the
- Elven Ring Narya, the Red Ring (the Ring of Fire).
-
- ----------
-
-
- 2) Of the Five Wizards, only three came into the story. Was anything known
- about the other two?
-
- Very little. No names given them in Middle-earth are recorded, just the
- title Ithryn Luin, 'The Blue Wizards' (for they were clad in sea-blue) (their
- names in Valinor were Alatar and Pallando). When the Istari first arrived in
- Middle-earth, Saruman and the Blue Wizards journeyed into the east, but only
- Saruman returned. The Essay on the Istari says: "whether they remained in
- the East, pursuing there the purposes for which they were sent; or perished;
- or as some hold were ensnared by Sauron and became his servants, is not not
- known." (UT, p. 390)
-
- Tolkien speaking as himself was only barely more explicit. In a letter
- he said that he knew "nothing clearly" about the other two: 'I think they
- went as emissaries to distant regions, East and South, far out of Numenorean
- range: missionaries to enemy-occupied lands, as it were. What success they
- had I do not know; but I fear that they failed, as Saruman did, though
- doubtless in different ways; and I suspect they were founders or beginners
- of secret cults and "magic" traditions that outlasted the fall of Sauron.'
- (Letters, p. 280).
-
- ----------
-
-
- 3) What happened to Radagast?
-
- Radagast was said to also have failed his mission, but it's tempting to
- think that his "failure" was not as bad as that of the others. The Essay on
- the Istari: "Indeed, of all the Istari, one only remained faithful, and he
- was the last-comer. For Radagast, the fourth, became enamoured of the many
- beasts and birds that dwelt in Middle-earth, and forsook Elves and Men, and
- spent his days among the wild creatures." (UT, p. 390)
-
- Radagast certainly never became evil. The above quote suggests, however,
- that his mission was not just to relate to wild creatures but also to build
- bridges between them and Elves and Men. He did, in fact, have his friends
- the birds gather much information, but since they were reporting to Saruman
- as the head of the Council that wasn't altogether helpful. On the other
- hand, it has often been suggested (though there is no direct textual evidence
- of any kind) that the way Eagles kept showing up at opportune times may have
- been partially his work.
-
- We know nothing of what happened to Radagast after the end of the Third
- Age. It seems conceivable, though, given the more ambiguous nature of his
- failing, that he might have been allowed back to Valinor eventually.
-
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-
-
- ENEMIES
-
- 1) What was the relationship between Orcs and Goblins?
-
- They are different names for the same race of creatures. Of the two,
- "Orc" is the correct one. This has been a matter of widespread debate and
- misunderstanding, mostly resulting from the usage in _The Hobbit_ (Tolkien
- had changed his mind about it by LotR but the confusion in the earlier book
- was made worse by inconsistant backwards modifications). There are a couple
- of statements in _The Hobbit_ which, if taken literally, suggest that Orcs
- are a subset of goblins. If we are to believe the indications from all other
- areas of Tolkien's writing, this is not correct. These are: some fairly
- clear statements in letters, the evolution of his standard terminology (see
- next paragraph), and the actual usage in LotR, all of which suggest that
- "Orc" was the true name of the race. (The pedigrees in _Tolkien: The
- Illustrated Encyclopedia_ are thoroughly innaccurate and undependable.)
-
- What happened was this. The creatures so referred to were invented along
- with the rest of Tolkien's subcreation during the writing of the Book of Lost
- Tales (the "pre-Silmarillion"). His usage in the early writing is somewhat
- varied but the movement is away from "goblin" and towards "orc". It was part
- of a general trend away from the terminology of traditional folklore (he felt
- that the familiar words would call up the wrong associations in the readers'
- minds, since his creations were quite different in specific ways). For the
- same general reasons he began calling the Deep Elves "Noldor" rather than
- "Gnomes", and avoided "Faerie" altogether. (On the other hand, he was stuck
- with "Wizards", an "imperfect" translation of Istari ('the Wise'), "Elves",
- and "Dwarves"; he did say once that he would have preferred "dwarrow", which,
- so he said, was more historically and linguistically correct, if he'd thought
- of it in time ...)
-
- In _The Hobbit_, which originally was unconnected with the Silmarillion,
- he used the familiar term "goblin" for the benefit of modern readers. By the
- time of LotR, however, he'd decided that "goblin" wouldn't do -- Orcs were
- not storybook goblins (see above). (No doubt he also felt that "goblin",
- being Romance-derived, had no place in a work based so much on Anglo-Saxon
- and Northern traditions in general.) Thus, in LotR, the proper name of the
- race is "Orcs" (capital "O"), and that name is found in the index along with
- Ents, Men, etc., while "goblin" is not in the index at all. There are a
- handful of examples of "goblin" being used (always with a small "g") but it
- seems in these cases to be a kind of slang for Orcs.
-
- Tolkien's explanation inside the story was that the "true" name of the
- creatures was Orc (an anglicized version of Sindarin *Orch* , pl. *Yrch*).
- As the "translator" of the ancient manuscripts, he "substituted" "Goblin" for
- "Orch" when he translated Bilbo's diary, but for The Red Book he reverted to
- a form of the ancient word.
-
- [The actual source of the word "orc" is Beowulf: "orc-nass", translated
- as "death-corpses". It has nothing to do with cetaceans.]
-
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-
-
- MISCELLANEOUS
-
- 1) Who or what was Tom Bombadil?
-
- This question has been a widely debated, sometimes far too vehemantly.
- Part of the difficulty is the complexity of Tom's literary history. Tom was
- originally a doll (with blue jacket and yellow boots) owned by Tolkien's son
- Michael. The doll inspired a story fragment, such as he often invented for
- his children's amusement. That fragment was in turn the basis for the poem
- "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil", published in 1933, which also introduced
- Goldberry, the barrow wights, and Old Man Willow (the poem was the source of
- the events in Chapters 6 through 8 of Book I). In a contemporary letter
- (1937) Tolkien explained that Tom was meant to represent 'the spirit of the
- (vanishing) Oxford and Berkshire countryside'. (Letters, no 19)
-
- Tolkien introduced Tom into LotR at a very early stage, when he still
- thought of it as a sequel to _The Hobbit_, as opposed to _The Silmarillion_
- (see LessFAQ, Tolkien, 1). Tom fit the original (slightly childish) tone of
- the early chapters (which resembled that of _The Hobbit_), but as the story
- progressed it became higher in tone and darker in nature. Tolkien later
- claimed that he left Tom in he decided that however portrayed Tom provided
- a necessary ingredient (see last paragraph). Some very cogent reasons are
- produced in a couple of wonderful letters (Letters, nos 144 & 153).
-
- As to Tom's nature, there are several schools of thought.
-
- a) He was a Maia (the most common notion). The reasoning here is plain:
- given the Middle-earth cast of characters as we know it, this is the most
- convenient pigeonhole in which to place him (and Goldberry as well) (most
- of the other individuals in LotR with "mysterious" origins: Gandalf,
- Sauron, Wizards, and Balrogs did in fact turn out to be Maiar).
-
- b) He was Iluvatar. The only support for this notion is on theological
- grounds: some have interpreted Goldberry's statement to Frodo (F: "Who is
- Tom Bombadil?" G: "He is.") as a form of the Christian "I am that am",
- which really could suggest the Creator. Tolkien rejected this inter-
- pretation quite firmly.
-
- c) T.A. Shippey (in _The Road to Middle-earth_) and others have suggested
- that Tom is a one-of-a-kind type. This notion received indirect support
- from Tolkien himself: "As a story, I think it is good that there should
- be a lot of things unexplained (especially if an explanation actually
- exists); ... And even in a mythical Age there amust be some enigmas, as
- there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally)." (Letters,
- p. 174) There are scattered references to other entites which seem to
- fall outside the usual picture.
-
- Whichever of these is correct, Tom's function inside the story was evidently
- to demonstrate a particular attitude towards control and power. "The story
- is cast in terms of a good side, and a bad side, beauty against ruthless
- ugliness, tyranny against kingship, moderated freedom against compulsion that
- has long lost any object save mere power, and so on; but both sides in some
- degree, conservative or destructive, want a measure of control. But if you
- have, as it were taken 'a vow of poverty', renounced control, and take delight
- in things for themselves without reference to yourself, watching, observing,
- and to some extent knowing, then the question of the rights and wrongs of
- power and control might become utterly meaningless to you, and the means of
- power quite valueless." (_Letters_, p. 178). Tom represented "Botany and
- Zoology (as sciences) and Poetry as opposed to Cattle-breeding and Agriculture
- and practicality." (Letters, p. 179).
-
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-
-
- 2) What became of the Entwives?
-
- No definite answer was given to this question within the story.
- However, Tolkien did comment on the matter in two letters, and while
- he was careful to say "I think" and "I do not know", nevertheless the
- tone of these comments was on the whole pessemistic. Moreover, he
- doesn't seem to have changed his mind over time. The following was
- written in 1954 (in fact before the publication of LotR):
-
- What happened to them is not resolved in this book. ... I think that
- in fact the Entwives had disappeared for good, being destroyed with
- their gardens in the War of the Last Alliance (Second Age 3429-3441)
- when Sauron pursued a scorched earth policy and burned their land
- against the advance of the Allies down the Anduin. They survived
- only in the 'agriculture' transmitted to Men (and Hobbits). Some,
- of course, may have fled east, or even have become enslaved: tyrants
- even in such tales must have an economic and agricultural background
- to their soldiers and metal-workers. If any survived so, they would
- indeed be far estranged from the Ents, and any rapprochement would
- be difficult -- unless experience of industrialized and militarized
- agriculture had made them a little more anarchic. I hope so. I
- don't know.
- Letters, 179 (#144)
-
- Note that the above reference to a "scorched earth policy" by Sauron
- makes the destruction of the Entwives' land seem a much more serious
- and deliberate affair than was apparent from the main story, in which
- Treebeard merely said that "war had passed over it" (TT, 79 (III, 4)).
-
- The following was written in 1972, the last year of Tolkien's life:
-
- As for the Entwives: I do not know. ... But I think in TT, 80-81 it
- is plain that there would be for the Ents no re-union in 'history'
- -- but Ents and their wives being rational creatures would find some
- 'earthly paradise' until the end of this world: beyond which the
- wisdom neither of Elves nor Ents could see. Though maybe they
- shared the hope of Aragorn that they were 'not bound for ever to the
- circles of the world and beyond them is more than memory.' ....
- Letters, 419 (#338)
-
- [ The reference to TT 80-81 is to the song of the Ent and the
- Ent-wife, as recited to Merry and Pippin by Treebeard; the speech
- by Aragorn which Tolkien quotes is from RK, 344 (Appendix A). ]
-
-
- While the above comments do not sound hopeful, there nevertheless
- remains the unresolved mystery of the conversation between Sam Gamgee
- and Ted Sandyman in The Green Dragon. It took place during the second
- chapter of FR and has been pointed to by many as possible evidence of
- the Entwives' survival:
-
- 'All right', said Sam, laughing with the rest. 'But what about
- these Tree-men, these giants, as you might call them? They do say
- that one bigger than a tree was seen up away beyond the North Moors
- not long back.'
- 'Who's *they*?'
- 'My cousin Hal for one. He works for Mr. Boffin at Overhill and
- goes up to the Northfarthing for the hunting. He *saw* one.'
- 'Says he did, perhaps. Your Hal's always saying that he's seen
- things; and maybe he sees things that ain't there.'
- 'But this one was as big as an elm tree, and walking -- walking
- seven yards to a stride, if it was an inch.'
- 'Then I bet it wasn't an inch. What he saw *was* an elm tree,
- as like as not.'
- 'But this one was *walking*, I tell you; and there ain't no elm
- tree on the North Moors.'
- 'Then Hal can't have seen one', said Ted.
- FR 53-54 (I, 2)
-
- Now, this conversation takes place early in the story, when its
- tone was still the "children's story" ambience of _The Hobbit_ (see
- LessFAQ, Tolkien, 1). When it is first read the natural reaction is
- to accept it as "more of the same" (i.e. another miscellaneous "fairy-
- story" matter). However, once one has learned about the Ents it is
- impossible to reread it without thinking of them. This impression is
- strengthened by Treebeard's own words to Merry and Pippin:
-
- He made them describe the Shire and its country over and over again.
- He said an odd thing at this point. 'You never see any, hm, any
- Ents round there, do you?' he asked. 'Well, not Ents, *Entwives* I
- should really say.'
- '*Entwives*?' said Pippin. 'Are they like you at all?'
- 'Yes, hm, well no: I do not really know now', said Treebeard
- thoughtfully. 'But they would like your country, so I just
- wondered.'
- TT, 75 (III, 4)
-
- Taken together, these two conversations make the notion that what
- Halfast saw was an Entwife seem at least plausible. However, as far
- as can be determined Tolkien never explicitly connected the matter
- with the Entwives, indeed never mentioned it at all. So we are left
- to speculate. (The fact that a creature described as being "as big as
- an elm tree" couldn't be an Ent doesn't prove anything one way or the
- other. It could indicate that the story is just a fabrication by a
- fanciful hobbit, but it is equally possible that a fourteen foot tall
- Ent might look gigantic to an unprepared hobbit and that the story was
- exaggerated in the telling.)
-
- Nor is textual analysis helpful. Tolkien himself, in a discussion
- of his methods of invention, mentioned that the Treebeard adventure
- was wholly unplanned until he came to that place in the story:
-
- I have long ceased to *invent* ... : I wait till I seem to know what
- really happened. Or till it writes itself. Thus, though I knew for
- years that Frodo would run into a tree-adventure somewhere far down
- the Great River, I have no recollection of inventing Ents. I came
- at last to the point, and write the 'Treebeard' chapter without any
- recollection of any previous thought: just as it now is. And then I
- saw that, of course, it had not happened to Frodo at all.
- Letters, 231 (#180)
-
- The rough drafts in HoMe confirm that Sam and Ted's conversation
- was composed long before Ents ever entered the story (Return of the
- Shadow, 253-254; Treason, 411-414). Thus, Tolkien could not have had
- them in mind when he wrote it, and it must indeed have originally been
- a random, vaguely fantastic element. On the other hand, as he said of
- Tom Bombadil, who also entered the story early: "I would not have left
- him in if he did not have some kind of function." (Letters, 178) The
- implication is clear: everything in the early chapters which was
- allowed to remain was left in for a reason. When he did so with the
- Sam/Ted conversation he must have known how suggestive it would be.
- But how it fits in with the darker speculations expressed in his
- letters is not clear (unless he changed his mind later).
-
- This may be a case of Tolkien's emotions being in conflict with
- his thoughts. T.A. Shippey has noted that "he was in minor matters
- soft-hearted" (RtMe, 173). (Thus, Bill the pony escapes, Shadowfax
- is allowed to go into the West with Gandalf, and in the late-written
- narratives of UT Isildur is shown using the Ring far more reluctantly
- than the Council of Elrond would suggest (UT, 271-285) and a way is
- contrived so that Galadriel might be absolved from all guilt in the
- crimes of Feanor (UT, 231-233)). It may be that, lover of trees that
- he was, Tolkien wished to preserve at least the hope that the Ents
- and Entwives might find each other and the race continue. But the
- unwelcome conclusions from what he elsewhere called "the logic of the
- story" must have proven inescapable.
-
-
- References: Letters, 178-179 (# 144), 231 (#180), 419 (#338);
- FR 53-54 (I, 2);
- TT, 75 (III, 4), 79 (III, 4), 80-81 (III,4);
- RK, 344 (Appendix A, I, v, "The Tale of Aragorn and Arwen");
- UT, 271-285 (Three, I), 231-233 (Two, IV);
- Return of the Shadow (HoMe VI), 253-254 (Second Phase, XV);
- The Treason of Isengard, 411-414 (Ch XXII);
- RtMe, 173 (7, "The Dangers of Going on").
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- Contributors: WDBL, Paul Adams, Mark Gordon
-